Debate and discussion : 5 men team. Pros and Cons. Theoretical and PRACTICAL. (1 Viewer)

[Sineth]

Hello everyone , if you have a little patience I will propose a project to you . But firstly I want to apologize if anyone else already made this Thread , secondly this is just an idea so far , we will see if it's a good or bad one but please participate . And now let's begin : Phase 1. We could discuss the heroes and items of a 5 men team , detailed , with different takes on the possible enemies and how to adapt. Heroes , lanes , and all the strategies. If someone comes up with an idea and the others support it , or come with your own ideas .

Phase 2. 5 men should actually play the the proposed them and then discuss how it went , what should adjust and others.

This is just an idea , we'll adjust it on the go as soon as we put in practice , if we ever do.

What do you think ?

 

[Sineth]

And topic related : One good team is Enigma + Shadow Fiend + Omni + Sven + ??? . Not sure for the 5th hero .
But for these 4. We have the following pros :
1. Sven's Warcry + Omni's Degen Aura makes a huge difference in movement speed between teams , in our advantage. Easy to chase down and kill , and hard for the enemy to dodge black hole , and requiem.

2. Presence of the Dark Lord will boost even more the damage of a rampaging Sven with mom and ulti , cleaving them to death even easier.

3. Repel for Sven or enigma or even SF it's great untill they all get bkb.

4. Black hole + Requiem + Sven's cleave it's just devastating.

5. After black hole , Guardian Angel will keep sven and sf alive for 5 to 7 more seconds alive to destroy the enemies.

6. Enigma and Omni with arcane and one mekanism will keep the whole team full hp / full mana .

7. Omni and Sven can go on the easy lane , very easy to get kills with Stun+heal. Also , omni will help sven really get it's farm on.

8. Sf middle and Enigma woods would also farm and leave the other lane solo for the 5th hero. maybe windrunner or , I don't really now.

So that's it.. Let me know what do you think and feel free to come with new or better ideas related to this or another team.

 

[Despot93]

Do you think we should comment on Replays/VODs, like strategy/items/heroes behind it et cetera, or just our opinion of 5 heroes we think will work out, how, with which items and so on?

BTW Your last one in that team composition should be Dark Seer in my opinion. Vacuum + Black Whore Would suffice. WR as well, Shackle and power shot. Hell, puck ( initiator for Enigma's whore + aoe )/BM (more damage for carry + sven + 1 target disable + map control + axes )too. xD
First and biggest problem:
SF is prone to ganks on middle.

 

[|Fever| saryu]

And topic related : One good team is Enigma + Shadow Fiend + Omni + Sven + ??? . Not sure for the 5th hero .
But for these 4. We have the following pros :
1. Sven's Warcry + Omni's Degen Aura makes a huge difference in movement speed between teams , in our advantage. Easy to chase down and kill , and hard for the enemy to dodge black hole , and requiem.

2. Presence of the Dark Lord will boost even more the damage of a rampaging Sven with mom and ulti , cleaving them to death even easier.

3. Repel for Sven or enigma or even SF it's great untill they all get bkb.

4. Black hole + Requiem + Sven's cleave it's just devastating.

5. After black hole , Guardian Angel will keep sven and sf alive for 5 to 7 more seconds alive to destroy the enemies.

6. Enigma and Omni with arcane and one mekanism will keep the whole team full hp / full mana .

7. Omni and Sven can go on the easy lane , very easy to get kills with Stun+heal. Also , omni will help sven really get it's farm on.

8. Sf middle and Enigma woods would also farm and leave the other lane solo for the 5th hero. maybe windrunner or , I don't really now.

So that's it.. Let me know what do you think and feel free to come with new or better ideas related to this or another team.

problem with your lineup = 2 melee on the easy lane, not much to harass the enemy. While you can do stun + heal, you can't do anything else while remember that the enemy might have some skill that can disrupt that combo. 1 stun from sven will consume almost all of his mana early on as well. My suggestion if you insist on doing that is have a dazzle or venomancer. Trilane top with omni focusing on stack and pull, dazzle or veno will initiate the ganking with his slow, followed by sven stun and 2 heal damages. enigma should be able to solo bottom with summon eidolon (slower than jungle but it's the only way to make it work).

dazzle ulti = huge aoe armor for SF and sven while huge aoe armor reduction for enemy, stack with SF aura.
veno = much better slow early game + aoe damage ulti.

 

[Sineth]

This is exactly what i was hoping for , discussion about the team and heroes and about my idea to begin with it. I'm sure it has a lot of flaws . Well it would be great if we could comment on replays also but I think there's a long way until there.

AA seems great , indeed . And veno too because together with enigma they would make a hell of a push.

And about SF , that's true.. the only solution I wards and enigma coming to help if he's in trouble. Or maybe change the lanes . I don't know maybe someone else would have a better idea for it.

I'm sure it will still need a lot of coordination and practice before any good results.

 

[Despot93]

Judging by lanes, we will always see ourselves as Radiant. So there won't be any confuses. KOTL Would be nice too, instead of Omniknight, in my opinion. LIFETIME SVEN STUN DURING LANES.

 

[|Fever| KultikKross]

Dark Seer solo on long lane along with KOTL laning with Sven. Like Despot said, lifetime Sven stuns. With Dark Seer, Surge increases the capability of chasing or initiating if Enigma or SF gets a late dagger. And Vaccum + Black Hole is pretty obvious. In case the opponent are heavily reliant on magic damage, Dark Seer is a good Pipe holder for the team. Also not forgetting, Mana Leak + Vaccum could be pretty good against heroes with small mana pool. And since Sven is melee, Sven MoM + Ult + Ion Shell = OMGWTFBBQ damage.

 

[Sineth]

Sounds good , and Seer can surely manage an 1v2 lane. Plus , a Sven with 522 move speed from seer it's vicious . Not sure about kotl though , it would kinda outfarm Sven with first skill .

Also ..that skill of kotl , when he uses ulti , that little explosion that makes every enemy miss .. it could ruin a black hole..it's like a counter vacuum. It could be used properly though.. to push the foes in the black hole ..but it needs practice.

We could try though. Sven+sf+enigma+kotl+seer. I can play Sven enigma or seer. Any other volunteers ?

 

[Lunasa]

as last pick for the team, you can get sandking hes amazing in a lineup with Omni, Omni can heal when sandking use stun, so early burst dmg.

And sand kings ulti can do tons of dmg with blackhole and requim + sven is like instant kill in 5 sec.
also sandking can do an extra stun to the enemy target with 3/4 players when using ulti + an extra slow.

you can also take a darkseer for vacuum and wall, also epic combo.

 

[Lunasa]

Sounds good , and Seer can surely manage an 1v2 lane. Plus , a Sven with 522 move speed from seer it's vicious . Not sure about kotl though , it would kinda outfarm Sven with first skill .

Also ..that skill of kotl , when he uses ulti , that little explosion that makes every enemy miss .. it could ruin a black hole..it's like a counter vacuum. It could be used properly though.. to push the foes in the black hole ..but it needs practice.

We could try though. Sven+sf+enigma+kotl+seer. I can play Sven enigma or seer. Any other volunteers ?

I wouldnt go for Kotl, you can better get an hard carry like Dragon King with lvl 11/16 dragon aoe dmg. and can disable atleast 1 of the targets.

I can play Seer, Sven or shadowfiend.